Sunday, June 5, 2011


This means that there are enough pissed off people to be googling zillow sucks, and by God Zillow SUCKS the life blood out of the your real estate investment.

So Zillow, have you gotten rich enough making the rest of us poor?  Maybe now you can take your filthy stinky money and buy and Island somewhere and take down the site that destroyed the AMERICAN dream and turned it into the American NIGHTMARE?

No not yet?  OK maybe prison sounds better than spending the money you earned destroying the Real Estate Market?  Keep at it, you will be taken down!


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Zillow slapped with patent suit


Zillow gets a “cease and desist” order in Arizona

ARDELL on 04 19, 2007

[photopress:zillow_banned_arizona.jpg,thumb,alignright]Josh Dorkin of Bigger Pockets emailed me the other day and asked me to comment on his article regarding Zillow’s troubles in Arizona.
I delayed my response for a couple of reasons.  Mostly because I do not share Josh’s view that disclaimers, of any kind, will resolve the problem.  And yes, I do believe it is a problem, and do side with Arizona on this one.
As with any action, you have to look for the underlying reasons for the action, and not simply the specific legal issue used to support the action.  I do not like to write about the negative sides of Redfin and or Zillow.  I do, and have, told them both in person how I feel about their negative sides, but hate to highlight the weak points.  I’d rather write about their stronger points.  But this is “newsworthy” and so I agreed to Josh’s request.
To me it’s real simple, and I have personally told the people at Zillow how I feel about it.  The Zestimate should pop up a RANGE of value.  PERIOD!  It is THAT simple.  None of this “house is worth $723,000″ and then scroll down, look this way, no look over here, down there and around the bend and THEN you see a “range of value”.
There should never be a SINGLE value attached to a property in the form of a Zestimate any more than an appraiser can guarantee a “TO THE DIME” value, or an Agent can say stoopid things like, “I will make sure you don’t pay a dime more than the house is worth!”.  AS IF a property can be valued “to the dime”.
As for “of course people know that’s not the REAL and EXACT value”…NO, people do not KNOW that, and they never know exactly what a house is worth, and they are always looking for some basis for value.  So I have to agree with the State of Arizona on this one.  Zillow Zestimates should be a range of value and not a specific number.
I think it’s Ok to say this house is worth somewhere between $700,000 and $800,000…maybe.  It’s not OK to say it is worth $723,000 and then add a bunch of disclaimers up and down and around the number.  So Josh, no.  I don’t think the answer is more disclaimers, to help counteract the damage done to the homeowner in the first place.
I’m going to do a “How’s Zillow Doing” post after we get a bit more into this season and real sold comps from high season.  My guess is most sales will have fallen within the range.  My hope is that not too many have fallen AT the Zestimate and BECAUSE OF the Zestimate.
In the meantime, if every State bans Zillow because homeowners are being damaged by people’s perception that the Zestimate is meaningful.  If Zillow is banned because buyers are actually making offers at the Zestimate price (and they are).  I say let the States protect their citizens as they deem appropriate.   It’s one thing to not want the Realtor Organization to cast aspersions at new business models.  It’s quite another to not expect State Laws to protect their citizens, from broad monetary damage, on their constituents’ most valuable asset.



Rip off Report.... just more information about the thievery going on at ZILLOW.COM

Saturday, February 5, 2011

Zillow continues to destroy the Real Estate market and get away with it.

Now they have the banks using Zillow to determine value.. as Zillow deflates our homes one by one, we all sit by and take it.  What can you do, this is Capitalism, right?

Friday, January 7, 2011

Finally Someone Sues ZILLOW Hurray!

First American sues Zillow over ‘Zestimates’

posted by Jeff CollinsSanta Ana-based First American CoreLogic Inc. has filed a federal lawsuit against eight rivals, including the popular real estate website, accusing them of infringing on a 1994 automated appraisal patent, according to the lawsuit.

The real estate data firm maintains that it owns a patent on an “automated valuation model,” or AVM, that can spit out value estimates for real estate parcels anywhere in the U.S.
The suit, filed last month in the Eastern District of Texas, maintains that Zillow and the other seven firms use CoreLogic’s AVM to sell products to its customers or other businesses without paying any royalties.
Zillow maintains that it provides property value estimates, or “Zestimates,” for 93 million homes  the U.S.,  or nearly all the residences in the country. The firm declined to comment on the lawsuit, but issued a statement:
“We have seen the complaint, and have no comment  at this time. Zillow has no plans to change any aspect of our business as a result of this complaint.”
At issue is Patent No. 5,361,201, a mathematical model named, “Real Estate Appraisal Using Predictive Modeling.”
The seven other firms named in the suit are Fiserve Inc., which is based in Wisconsin; IntelliReal LLC, based in Denver; Interthinx Inc., based in Agoura Hills; Lender Processing Services Inc., based in Florida; Precision Appraisal Services Inc., based in New Jersey; Real Data Inc., based in Houston; and Realec Technologies Inc., also based in Houston.
None of the firms have filed responses to the lawsuit yet, and a date for further proceedings has not yet been set.
The suit requests that the defendants be enjoined from using First American’s AVM and that it be paid treble damages for loss of profits.

Not Zestimates Zestimations... ie Creamations of the homes across America.

They created a software to generalize every house in existence into one category.  House.

Then they used the simplest of criteria to come up with numbers that were within 23-35% INACCURATE.

Of course then they wrote a tiny little disclaimer in the smallest letters on the bottom of their MONGUL site and Twa La, some dirt bag gets rich and sinks the value of every home in America causing the hugest real estate crash in American History.  Of course they have to their advantage that most Americans are in a coma and as much as they are angry NO ONE WILL CHALLENGE THEM.  Its the American can rape, rob and pillage people, as long as they don't take you to court, you're good.

So when will someone take Zillow to Court?  When will the Zestimations end?